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Post by ghost on May 2, 2007 12:04:55 GMT -5
OR as Trump would say....Your fired
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Tripps
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Post by Tripps on May 2, 2007 12:13:51 GMT -5
Wow, this has gone from team announcment, to a "unity of airsoft" discussion, to a "negative airsoft media" discussion, to a "CQB/fps" discussion, to a "cheater/sadist" discussion.... I love watching these topics evolve
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Post by mongoman on May 2, 2007 13:01:38 GMT -5
Wow, this has gone from team announcment, to a "unity of airsoft" discussion, to a "negative airsoft media" discussion, to a "CQB/fps" discussion, to a "cheater/sadist" discussion.... I love watching these topics evolve It is because the senile folk like me tend to ramble. M
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Post by ghost on May 2, 2007 14:02:33 GMT -5
Getting it all out in open at once
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electricblu
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Post by electricblu on May 2, 2007 17:31:10 GMT -5
I think we should try to unite Alabama, and the whole purpose behind it is so others are educated. When a kid gets an eye put out because he is not wearing safety glasses and he is only 15, we want to be united and have united rules so that we DO have a valid arguement. So that when the media tries to attack us we can all stand together and say we dont have these kind of accidents because we do this this and this. We're note looking for fame, just understanding.
The Idea is not to unite so that we can make airsoft tournaments and get paid to play airsoft and crap like that. We just want it to be more accepted and educate people more on it. The media wont attack us as viciously if they have a better understanding of it. Right now there is no voice for airsoft in alabama. So when some incident happens, the media's point of veiw, the uneducated point of veiw, is the only one that is heard. We have no formal body or group. Its just abunch of scattered groups.
Once we have a group formed with set guidelines our sport will have more chances. I think we can become mainstream if people become more educated. Its the lack of education that hold airsofters back more than anything. And ALabama is not really a large state so it would not be very hard to get branches all over the state, nothing like trying to unite cali or something.
Airsoft mainstream in the southeast, it could happen. Just need to educate others.
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Post by vauxhall28 on May 3, 2007 19:45:46 GMT -5
i have to hand it to you tripps well said amazinghow the evolution f a post decends to negativity. perhaps this is why airsoft has no voice people can't get thier heads out of their arses long enough to get something fun and turn into something fun and recognized so it won't be construed in a negative light. instead it appears that the ones who are soo negative about getting things organized are the very ones that are unreliable.
remember when i said it's time to pony up, well those that have did and those that won't didn't they did nothing more than run their opinions and not help. i have spent 4 years in the sandbox to realize that those who are so quick to point out the negativity are the ones that cause soo many of my fellows troopers to die. something i told the men i commanded; don't waste the time of someone who is willing to go above and beyond for you will be the cause of their demiseand their permanent reminder that you let them down.
for those who have posted on this thread in a positive light i commend and thank you very much, for those that did nothing more than complain and become a pit of dispair F OFF.
and don't worry i won't be posting here anymore.
vauxhall out
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Post by savoy6 on May 4, 2007 10:09:19 GMT -5
WOW sorry to post the hard info and experience of 6 years+ playing airsoft in NW florida,alabama,and georgia.....and gained from doing my best to help keep my local scene going when it was just a collection of less than 20-30 people in the pensacola area.guess that qualifies me as being unreliable and doing nothing to help the sport.... ? spending several hours a day trying to keep up on news and events on more than 35 different forums around the US and the world to keep an eye out for anything that may affect us ,good or bad....and letting folks know asap of anything that may affect our community? oh and disagreeing with you put's me in some vaguely defined group of people who ... ?WTF i would love to see airsoft accepted in the same way that paintball has been....but any experienced players know that airsoft cannot make any of the concessions that paintball has to political correctness.as for organizing.. i just don't want you guys to have to go through the whole SEA experience where lofty ,unattainable goals are thrown around as a matter of course in the beginning then the whole group gets set down hard when they aren't reached.....then the finger pointing begins and it all turns into a flaming pile of shit....i really don't want to see that happen for you guys...i can't include myself ,since i don't live in ala... presswise??..well ,that's a battle every AS group in this country has been fighting for awhile,with few good results.the sport isn't newsworthy in any fashion until a kid with an AS gun gets shot by the cops. so your response to being challenged in any fashion is.... wow....way to contribute to the sport....that's reliabilty..... P.S.... and don't throw around your "4 years in the sandbox "....you aren't the only person on these forums or in this sport that has served their country.....
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Post by frijoleluna on May 4, 2007 11:01:39 GMT -5
for those who have posted on this thread in a positive light i commend and thank you very much, for those that did nothing more than complain and become a pit of dispair F OFF. and don't worry i won't be posting here anymore. vauxhall out Does this statement sound conflicting to anyone else? "he hates negativity" then says "F Off." hmmmm...... My response to this continuing discussion (thought it's not worht much): There is a difference between chasing a white rabbit and setting realistic goals. when i made my points previously, my mind was on the realistic goals. not white rabbits. when i was a personal trainer, white rabbit goals never produced results in clients. but a series of smaller goals almost always did. AND SINCE WHEN DID CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM BECOME NEGATIVITY ? from what i have read of this thread, most people made a criticism and then came back and offered what they thought could really happen. they didnt just complain. they spoke from experience and their knowledge of airsoft and its VARIED existence around this country. if we can set forth a guideline / rule for the sport then i forsee our sport growing to be recognized on the national tournament level something i think the sport does not have yet. if we are serious about our sport it's time to pony up cowboys Is it really negative for me to say that I DON"T forsee this happening ? There are a million reasons it won't happen i believe. Savoy6 made some good points regarding this in his last post. And i find it a little insulting that vaux comes in here and tells us its time to pony up when he has NO idea what we have been doing and the only way to "pony up" in his eyes are white rabbit ideals! I am playing my part for what I believe can actually happen. Sorry if this makes me sound pessimistic. I am NOT a fatalist. Am I a realist ?
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Post by mongoman on May 4, 2007 11:35:27 GMT -5
Vaux, 6, I bet you guys are not that far apart. The problem with this form of communication is that it lacks emotion, and lets the mood or tone of the post be set by the reader. Therefore, I may say something I feel means little, and greatly offend someone else.
I am a dreamer, but a doer. I DEPEND on my wife, Mary, to ground me, ane she is my Devils Advocate, always. Sometimes, I get pissed because I feel she is being negative. Then I come around to a few of the things she has said, and then I trudge forward.
This discussion is now over. I do not understand why you got upset Vaux, I have heard the same things Six is saying for the last year. The reason I want to set a league up is because of my own experience getting involved. I am a newbie. I have only been doing this a little over a year. It tooks us MONTHS to meet with folks. Quite frankly, I was met with much snobbery on some fronts when asking questions, and was amazed that no one had standardized anything. Looked into the SEA, read the forums and ran. If that type of organization is what folks have in mind, then I am out. No offense to Tripps or anyone involved, but my own personal experience with members of the SEA settled that for me right away. Just a difference in basic philosophy.
I must say though, that this is the first time we have had other than civil discussion on this forum. Everyone has, I hope, always felt free to be open. I have been less than kind a couple of times, out of frustration. However, if just discussing organizing causes strife, then again, I am out.
So, Vaux, if you feel you don't need to post here anymore due to negativity, then I understand. Look, if Six's post was that frustrating to you to make you lash out, then an organization or even a team will drive you crazy. I know you lead and have led men into combat, and I respect that. Guys like you AND Savoy6 are the reason guys like me can play airsoft. Our TEAM can be the most frustrating group of individuals you have ever seen, make me crazy. But I can't MAKE them do a damned thing, if only I could. I was never in the military(my college football coach was aghast that I might get down to 240 to get into ROTC, 318 makes a much better offensive tackle) But I have led civilians in many endeavors, and after FIGHTING IT for years, there is only one thing you can do. Take those people that have the same fire, and enthusiam that you do, and go forward. Take the advice you feel is good, and ignore the rest. From these post, we have seen those opinions come forth, and I have seen absolutely none without merit. So, since I am a moderator on this forum, here is the deal.
Those of you who would like to discuss the formation of a loose confederacy, I will start a thread in General Airsoft. All views are welcome.
Thank you Mongo
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Post by Tripps on May 4, 2007 13:57:14 GMT -5
Ah, no offense taken Mongo, I decide long ago that the SEA was a pipe dream.
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Rook
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Post by Rook on May 4, 2007 17:52:42 GMT -5
Gotta love a good debate. The good thing is though, if this was airsoft retreat, half the people poster here would have been just banned. I hate that place. And Tripps, what is the 411 on the SEA? What is it? I keep seeing it posted and my mind is thoroughly boggled.
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Post by ghost on May 4, 2007 18:59:04 GMT -5
I think those who are interested in it talk about it those who arent can stay out of the conversation. That why theres no hard feelings and people dropping out b/c of someone elses comments. If you have something positive to say, SAY IT..If not just lay back and keep cool. If what were doing goes good, GREAT 4 US...if it goes bad then you can say i told you so. Negative comments is what slows it down and hinders progress. If a 100 people are up for it against 3 that isnt, the 100 will eventually develop into 200,300 and on and on while the 3 try to forge reasons why it cant be done. FOCUS PEOPLE!!!!
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Post by Tripps on May 5, 2007 9:10:11 GMT -5
And Tripps, what is the 411 on the SEA? What is it? I keep seeing it posted and my mind is thoroughly boggled. South-East Airsoft Association (S.E.A.) was a organization that was established to "unite" the southeast region of the U.S. Nice idea, lots of work went into developing the By-laws and the entire organization. It was modeled after the NRA. Unfortunately, it fell to in-fighting, and a severe lack of anybody trusting the each other, and nobody really did any WORK to make the organization grow. There was a few that did, but two-four people can't do the work for 35...on top of that, there were due's (like the NRA) and never really any returns on them. Mostly it was a attempt to unite people against "Anti-airsoft laws", standardize FPS limits, and have a regional airsoft forum for games in the area. They tried to do the same thing you guys are talking about, but bigger. My opinion is that the Southeast is a really big area to unite...who's gonna listen to someone in Florida when they live in South Carolina? I'm all for a unified rule set (I'd like to only upgrade my gun once and not change it for every game) but the ugly truth is, every body is gonna do their own thing. Now it's owned by a group in South Carolina (nice guys, REALLY helpful, and always looking to help convert paintball fields to airsoft play) that are trying to get a more "everybody's welcome" feel. The site is slowly being re-vamped and the whole "dues" thing is right out. Goes by www.natocommand.com now.
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Post by kac on Jul 16, 2007 13:16:57 GMT -5
God to heir of a team close to use we will have to tear it up some time.
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Post by wolf93 on Jul 19, 2008 14:23:21 GMT -5
hey guys i am moving to dothan al soon and i am looking for a airsoft team close some one plz message and let me know more i am a good player and i wont slow u down i will keep in touch with u till i move and would like to meet u when i get there
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